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Posted by manic666 on November 18, 2009, at 13:50:43
i have been thinking about the way we treat mental illness in England,the way they wont mess with combos an like to stick to 1 med at a time,i think its the old bulldog spirit that us english have bred in us ,sort of you should not have this illness pull yourself together old chap.bbbbbbut if you are ill try a little of this an for pity,s sake dont come back.things like combo,s an lots of therapy are out the question. but i have to say there may be some logic somewhere in this,think about it you in america have loads of choises in the med department and i dont,something scott said in one of my posts.when i said i havent a clue what your on about. i just stick anything in my mouth. his reply was that after all his trials an med changes an add on,s , he is in the same boat as me ,so to speak. i am either really ill or ok, but i get 1 med.well 2 with ativan, some of you are on lots of combos an live the same kind of life. so is there a difference, ok im not talking bipolar . but clinical depression an anxierty.an if you on a combo of lets say 4 meds ,witch do you blame if things go wrong. i have only 1 to blame,admitted when the 1 goes pear shaped im in the sh*t,but 1 med cannot interact like lets say 4///.Each with there own side effects.think hard obout this .mabye there is logic in there madness
Posted by Phillipa on November 18, 2009, at 14:26:04
In reply to the English stiff upper lip., posted by manic666 on November 18, 2009, at 13:50:43
Manic you know I'm in the US but my pdoc doesn't believe in a lot of combos at a time two classifications of meds at a time. Me the luvox and valium and xanax. But why does she give me valium and xanax with luvox if they metabolize at a higher dose with luvox. I was just researching this and seems I should be on ativan. Why do we need to do all this. Oh and synthroid showed up as an interaction with calcium magnesium. Don't get it. I think cost is one reason and other is that too many meds as you say you don't know what's doing what? Love Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on November 19, 2009, at 7:50:18
In reply to the English stiff upper lip., posted by manic666 on November 18, 2009, at 13:50:43
another thing with brit hospitals , we get a blood test when they think about it, so we dont worry to much over things like that.say you guys have one a month or so an the find a abnormality the alter your meds, us by the time we find out it proably fixed itself so you never new, on the other hand we could die,for not nowing,but i remember my old mum with terminal cancer , she would not have breast surgery because she was 75, an said there not cutting my breast off, anyway she was on meds an it keeped the tumor stable, for 12 more years,then it spread round her body an killed her.BUT my point hear is my mum led a life she didnt even think about the cancer TTTTTTTill every six months blood test, she was in bits the week befor , but when she came home an they said its no bigger she forgot all about it again,my point the more blood test the more worry,o to have a attitude like my mum.if they had took her breast she may have died o lot quicker
Posted by Phillipa on November 19, 2009, at 19:16:24
In reply to my mum had the best attitude, posted by manic666 on November 19, 2009, at 7:50:18
Only blood work have had in over two years is the thyroid gets tested every eight weeks. Love Phillipa
Posted by bleauberry on November 22, 2009, at 7:33:16
In reply to the English stiff upper lip., posted by manic666 on November 18, 2009, at 13:50:43
I think the stiff upper lip attitude might be partially a component of the culture, as you said, but I think the primary underlying reason is the medical system itself...politicians, office workers, and beaurocrats playing doctor when they don't know a thing about treating real patients or the complexities of disease.
There is not a single country on the planet with a nationally run health care system that is not drowning in the problems it creates...shortages, rationing, removal of the incentive for people to enter the medical profession, removal of the incentive for medical professionals to become talented, and boatloads of rules and regulations telling medical professionals how to treat, who to treat, all enclosed within restricted boundaries.
Even primitive societies can do better, because they have immediate access to the substances and knowledge passed on through centuries. Every time a "medicine man" dies, it is like losing an entire library of information gathered over many generations.
But as you stated, in a free enterprise system such as USA, there are still people who cannot be adequately treated. You mentioned SLS. It probably includes most of here actually. It is not the fault of the medical system or the culture, but the lack of human knowledge of disease. While we like to think we are experts and often take that stance, we are in fact in the infancy stages of learning biochemistry and medicine. There is so much we don't know and so much to research.
When someone runs into a rock wall, whether it be due to a national health system's attitude, or a disease not responding to treatment we "assume" should work, I think (personal opinion) it is mandatory...absolutely mandatory...that the patient become their own advocate and their own expert. The worldwide web allows that to happen.
Some of the most remarkable recoveries occur when patients research and treat themselves, after doctors have said there is nothing more they can do. Or sometimes when someone has seen 10 doctors over 15 years and they are still all guessing and not getting anywhere, the patients that take the steering wheel are the ones that get better. The ones that leave it in the hands of the doctors are the ones that stay sick and get sicker.
Thankfully I think more than half of medical cases do not fall into that category and are successfully treated. But when there is a roadblock, you and you alone have to take control of your own destiny.
The TV show Mystery Diagnosis is one example. Patients make their own discoveries and treatment suggestions when multiple doctors fail them over many years. The worldwide web is overflowing with similar stories in areas of cancer, Lyme, FM, CFS, MS, skin infections, depression, schizophrenia.
The doctor's brain has no more potential than your own for figuring things out or deciding the next course of action. And sometimes less.
We difficult cases have to become our own advocates, our own doctors, our own prescription writers (mailorder or herbs). Why? Simple.
Because no one else is going to do it for you!
Posted by manic666 on November 22, 2009, at 12:11:53
In reply to Re: the English stiff upper lip., posted by bleauberry on November 22, 2009, at 7:33:16
you are right of course , take my withrawl of 10 mg ativan dead, i new i was in for the ride of my life mabey even death . if i hadnt took matter in my hands a told the gp i would die with this much withdrawl.i would have not been able to get the 4 mg of ativan that aloud me a small release , not enough but enough to keep my from drinking into death.
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