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Posted by taylor18 on November 27, 2003, at 6:27:34
Before reading this article, I had always thought to myself that the difference between the bipolar/schizophrenic and the genius, is that the genius can handle all the stimuli, information etc.
They can process, store, create, combine etc. whereas a less able mind, as the researcher puts it, cannot handle it, and mental illness may result.
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001684.html
This theory seems to be pretty prevalent because it came up again in this book I was reading: The Origins of Genius: A Darwinian Perspective
I would be very interested in researchers' attempts to create a unified theory on the relationship of genius and severe psychopathology.
This is a very personal issue to me. Larry, Ron, anyone have anything else on this?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2003, at 8:28:33
In reply to Interesting article , posted by taylor18 on November 27, 2003, at 6:27:34
> Before reading this article, I had always thought to myself that the difference between the bipolar/schizophrenic and the genius, is that the genius can handle all the stimuli, information etc.
That seems to be a good part of the difference...
> They can process, store, create, combine etc. whereas a less able mind, as the researcher puts it, cannot handle it, and mental illness may result.
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> http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001684.html
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> This theory seems to be pretty prevalent because it came up again in this book I was reading: The Origins of Genius: A Darwinian Perspective
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> I would be very interested in researchers' attempts to create a unified theory on the relationship of genius and severe psychopathology.
>
> This is a very personal issue to me. Larry, Ron, anyone have anything else on this?What's missing from the explanations I've read is a consideration of the processes governing spontaneous generation of thoughts; the brain is both passively receiving stimuli, and actively creating stimuli. From an intra-cerebral perspective, different regions of the brain do not recognize any differences between external and internal stimuli; that is a cognition itself.
From my own experience, having had a manic-psychotic episode induced by SSRI medication, I have a little bit of insight. What got me through that was that I never lost the perspective that the multi-sensory hallucinations were just that. In other words, my meta-cognition allowed me to take an observer status. Had that failed......whoa, I shudder to think of it.
Lar
Posted by taylor18 on November 27, 2003, at 17:27:59
In reply to Re: Interesting article » taylor18, posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2003, at 8:28:33
I am looking for supplements that can improve information processing, rational problem-solving, ordered as opposed to chaotic analysis, retention, and concentration.
I am presupposing, of course, that supplements can give me these things. I know that supplements can't give you what you don't already have.
"From my own experience, having had a manic-psychotic episode induced by SSRI medication, I have a little bit of insight. What got me through that was that I never lost the perspective that the multi-sensory hallucinations were just that. In other words, my meta-cognition allowed me to take an observer status. Had that failed......whoa, I shudder to think of it."
I find that very interesting because there is a lot of power in an observer status. I can relate to that. Once, during a cannabis-induced psychosis, without full-blown hallucinations or delusions, but more illusions etc. I took the observer status. There seems to be an impenetrable consciousness which is watching the destruction, terror, chaos going on.
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 28, 2003, at 5:37:24
In reply to Interesting article , posted by taylor18 on November 27, 2003, at 6:27:34
> This theory seems to be pretty prevalent because it came up again in this book I was reading: The Origins of Genius: A Darwinian Perspective
I'd just like to plug the double double quotes feature at this site:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon
The first time anyone refers to a book without using this option, I post this to try to make sure he or she at least knows about it. It's just an option, though, and doesn't *have* to be used. If people *choose* not to use it, I'd be interested why not, but I'd like that redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20020918/msgs/7717.html
Thanks!
Bob
Posted by taylor18 on November 28, 2003, at 7:04:59
In reply to Re: double double quotes » taylor18, posted by Dr. Bob on November 28, 2003, at 5:37:24
Oh that's cool. Now I know.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2003, at 7:16:16
In reply to Re: Interesting article, posted by taylor18 on November 27, 2003, at 17:27:59
> I am looking for supplements that can improve information processing, rational problem-solving, ordered as opposed to chaotic analysis, retention, and concentration.
>
> I am presupposing, of course, that supplements can give me these things. I know that supplements can't give you what you don't already have.It's possible that you can give yourself an edge via nutrition. Then, you might also consider so-called "smart drugs", but I'm not sure those do much in the long term. Short term efficacy is not in question, but long-term?
Tyrosine helps some people focus. Ron Hill has good results from l-theanine. NADH really helped me with cognitive issues. I think fish oil is good for smoothing out brain function, as are phospholipid supplements.
You might want to consider ADD-type issues.
http://www.brainplace.com/bp/checklist/
There are dietary recommendations there, after the screening targets symptom clusters.
> "From my own experience, having had a manic-psychotic episode induced by SSRI medication, I have a little bit of insight. What got me through that was that I never lost the perspective that the multi-sensory hallucinations were just that. In other words, my meta-cognition allowed me to take an observer status. Had that failed......whoa, I shudder to think of it."
>
> I find that very interesting because there is a lot of power in an observer status. I can relate to that. Once, during a cannabis-induced psychosis, without full-blown hallucinations or delusions, but more illusions etc. I took the observer status. There seems to be an impenetrable consciousness which is watching the destruction, terror, chaos going on.Setting aside the conceit that I can be objective about self, I make extensive use of a cognitive tool I call pseudo-objectivity (pseudo because I presume I am subjective, nevertheless). I assume a stance of third-party to self. It is very useful when dealing with e.g. depressive thinking. Depression is but one voice at my cognitive board-room table, and as the chair of the assembly, I can focus on individual speakers, e.g. my spirit. Depression would like to dominate the meeting, but I don't permit it to do so. Ya know?
Lar
Posted by taylor18 on November 29, 2003, at 4:38:33
In reply to Re: Interesting article » taylor18, posted by Larry Hoover on November 28, 2003, at 7:16:16
"A University of Paris research study proves that in brain tissue (neuron cell) cultures, the production of the brain neurotransmitters, such as dopamine, can be increased by adding NADH to the culture medium.
The study's results showed that adding NADH yields a six-fold increase in the production of the neurotransmitter dopamine. It was also found coenzyme NADH stimulates the production of many different brain neurotransmitters, including dopamine, norepinephrine or noradrenaline, and serotonin."
Wouldn't NADH be harmful for bipolars/schizophrenics?
L-Theanine looks promising; I'm wary of Tyrosine, i.e., hypomania. Fish oil is an excellent addition IMO because it looks to be beneficial in such a wide range of disorders. Considering misdiagnosis and the fatty acid imbalance of most Americans, everyone should be taking it. I take 1-2 gms/day currently. In the past I've taken Lecithin, and everything was much too vivid and intense. I felt hypomania developing.
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I've often told my counselors that I have a hidden, dormant, inaccessible genius, and also the potential for psychosis. I've seen only glimpses of each, with daily life never showing me the full effects of either. I'm too holistic, irrational, emotional, intuitive etc.
I'm deficient in language, logic, math etc. I cannot bring to light the glorious intuitions, truths, and ideas that I hold inside.
In the words of Charles Darwin, I'm confined to a living grave.
Supplements, nutraceticals, nutrients, nootropics etc. seem to be the only link to my desired effect. The short term effects could be long term effects if they were taken consistently throughout life ;)
Posted by joebob on November 29, 2003, at 10:31:09
In reply to Re: Interesting article » taylor18, posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2003, at 8:28:33
worth the difference in price?
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