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Posted by doxielover on September 10, 2004, at 12:09:08
Hey there, I'm wanting to try a supplement to help me be more alert and less sleepy during the day. I'm hesitant to try Gingko because I read it is a vasodilator, which I understand can trigger migraines.
Any suggestions for what might work that would not trigger migraines? I'm on fish oil right now, but only 2 capsules a day. I think I might need to increase that, but I don't think that does anything for energy.
Thanks!
Posted by tealady on September 10, 2004, at 15:38:03
In reply to Energy supplement for someone with migraines, posted by doxielover on September 10, 2004, at 12:09:08
> Hey there, I'm wanting to try a supplement to help me be more alert and less sleepy during the day. I'm hesitant to try Gingko because I read it is a vasodilator, which I understand can trigger migraines.
>
> Any suggestions for what might work that would not trigger migraines? I'm on fish oil right now, but only 2 capsules a day. I think I might need to increase that, but I don't think that does anything for energy.
>
You could considertyrosine say 500 mg on an empty stomach (at least 1/2 hr before brekkie) first thing when you wake in the morning
and with brekkie
B6 25mg (or preferably P5P B6 10-20mg) and
magnesium 300mg (and maybe the same amount before bed at night)
zinc 10mg-25mg (couple of times a week)the amounts are guidelines only of course.
Other thing that may help is if your ferritin blood levels are less than 50..try some iron with lunch or dinner..ferritin probably ideal around 70ish often low in females, occasionally in males
CoQ10 is probably helpful too
Posted by doxielover on September 10, 2004, at 15:57:41
In reply to Re: Energy supplement for someone with migraines, posted by tealady on September 10, 2004, at 15:38:03
I will look into tyrosine tealady. zinc and b vitamins tend to upset my stomach, not sure about magnesium.
I found info that DLPA can be good for migraines and energy. Larry Hoover has talked a lot about TMG. Is that okay with migraines? How about combining DLPA and TMG, or should it just be one or the other?
Posted by Larry Hoover on September 11, 2004, at 13:46:05
In reply to Energy supplement for someone with migraines, posted by doxielover on September 10, 2004, at 12:09:08
> Hey there, I'm wanting to try a supplement to help me be more alert and less sleepy during the day. I'm hesitant to try Gingko because I read it is a vasodilator, which I understand can trigger migraines.
Ginkgo is actually recommended as an alternate treatment for migraines. It can cause a headache during the first week, but that is generally mild. After that, it is thought to prevent migraine. Feverfew is the best herb to treat and prevent migraines.
> Any suggestions for what might work that would not trigger migraines? I'm on fish oil right now, but only 2 capsules a day. I think I might need to increase that, but I don't think that does anything for energy.
>
> Thanks!Taurine, or magnesium, or a double bang for the buck, magnesium taurate. That's all about migraine, though. I don't know if this would trigger a migraine or not (I can't find anything one way or the other), but NADH or TMG are both good energizers, in some people. Dose of each is not easy to predict. You might want to check the archives, as there's been a lot discussion about these two before.
Lar
Med Hypotheses. 1996 Dec;47(6):461-6.
Magnesium taurate and fish oil for prevention of migraine.
McCarty MF.
Nutrition 21, San Diego, CA 92109, USA.
Although the pathogenesis of migraine is still poorly understood, various clinical investigations, as well as consideration of the characteristic activities of the wide range of drugs known to reduce migraine incidence, suggest that such phenomena as neuronal hyperexcitation, cortical spreading depression, vasospasm, platelet activation and sympathetic hyperactivity often play a part in this syndrome. Increased tissue levels of taurine, as well as increased extracellular magnesium, could be expected to dampen neuronal hyperexcitation, counteract vasospasm, increase tolerance to focal hypoxia and stabilize platelets; taurine may also lessen sympathetic outflow. Thus it is reasonable to speculate that supplemental magnesium taurate will have preventive value in the treatment of migraine. Fish oil, owing to its platelet-stabilizing and antivasospastic actions, may also be useful in this regard, as suggested by a few clinical reports. Although many drugs have value for migraine prophylaxis, the two nutritional measures suggested here may have particular merit owing to the versatility of their actions, their safety and lack of side-effects and their long-term favorable impact on vascular health.
Posted by doxielover on September 13, 2004, at 0:01:34
In reply to Re: Energy supplement for someone with migraines » doxielover, posted by Larry Hoover on September 11, 2004, at 13:46:05
Thanks for the article. I just started on Magnesium for the migraines, looks Like I should add some taurine.
I'm going to try the TMG and/or the NADH. Are these safe to take on a daily basis long term? The NADH (Enada NADH I think) is marketed as an energy booster, just makes me wonder if it works long-term and if it is safe to do so.
> > Hey there, I'm wanting to try a supplement to help me be more alert and less sleepy during the day. I'm hesitant to try Gingko because I read it is a vasodilator, which I understand can trigger migraines.
>
> Ginkgo is actually recommended as an alternate treatment for migraines. It can cause a headache during the first week, but that is generally mild. After that, it is thought to prevent migraine. Feverfew is the best herb to treat and prevent migraines.
>
> > Any suggestions for what might work that would not trigger migraines? I'm on fish oil right now, but only 2 capsules a day. I think I might need to increase that, but I don't think that does anything for energy.
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> Taurine, or magnesium, or a double bang for the buck, magnesium taurate. That's all about migraine, though. I don't know if this would trigger a migraine or not (I can't find anything one way or the other), but NADH or TMG are both good energizers, in some people. Dose of each is not easy to predict. You might want to check the archives, as there's been a lot discussion about these two before.
>
> Lar
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> Med Hypotheses. 1996 Dec;47(6):461-6.
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> Magnesium taurate and fish oil for prevention of migraine.
>
> McCarty MF.
>
> Nutrition 21, San Diego, CA 92109, USA.
>
> Although the pathogenesis of migraine is still poorly understood, various clinical investigations, as well as consideration of the characteristic activities of the wide range of drugs known to reduce migraine incidence, suggest that such phenomena as neuronal hyperexcitation, cortical spreading depression, vasospasm, platelet activation and sympathetic hyperactivity often play a part in this syndrome. Increased tissue levels of taurine, as well as increased extracellular magnesium, could be expected to dampen neuronal hyperexcitation, counteract vasospasm, increase tolerance to focal hypoxia and stabilize platelets; taurine may also lessen sympathetic outflow. Thus it is reasonable to speculate that supplemental magnesium taurate will have preventive value in the treatment of migraine. Fish oil, owing to its platelet-stabilizing and antivasospastic actions, may also be useful in this regard, as suggested by a few clinical reports. Although many drugs have value for migraine prophylaxis, the two nutritional measures suggested here may have particular merit owing to the versatility of their actions, their safety and lack of side-effects and their long-term favorable impact on vascular health.
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