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Posted by blueberry on December 25, 2005, at 11:50:51
I weaned off of ssri's a week ago, tapered onto 5htp at the same time, have tried both tyrosine and dlpa mixed in, and I swear these things are just not doing it. They keep me just about a finger nail's thickness above the crying spells.
50mg 5htp 3 times a day. DLPA 500mg twice a day. Tyrosine 1000mg I couldn't hardly even feel anything from it. Have been on 1000mg omega3 for a long time.Ssri's didn't work, and neither are these aminos. They're about the same in efficacy as far as I can tell.
Most books and people report that if amino acids are going to help, they should feel it as early as the first day or within a week. Obviously longer is better. But it's been a week, and nothing. I'm afraid to go higher in doses. Any comments from experience or knowledge with these supplements?
Posted by TenMan on December 25, 2005, at 12:51:35
In reply to 5htp, dlpa, tyrosine, omega3...doing nothing., posted by blueberry on December 25, 2005, at 11:50:51
5-htp will compete with DLPA and Tyrosine so try taking them separately if you haven't already. I would suggest taking the 5-htp with a meal as the insulin release will help clear competing amino's from the bloodstream.
I take 300mgs. of 5-htp a day with 5mgs. of deprenyl and it is working well. I divide the 5-htp in two doses, 100mgs. in the morning and 200mgs. in the evening. I take Solaray entrically coated capsules that also contain a small amount of b6 which is needed for conversion.
Have you tried combining 5-htp with St. Johns Wort? That was a fantastic combination for me which worked the best of anything I have ever tried. I quit taking the SJW for a surgery and after it was over my deprenyl have arrived in the mail so I decided to try it instead. As well as my current combination is working I have actually been considering going back to SJW and 5htp but the damn interaction problem with SJW has been holding me back. If you haven't tried the two yet though I highly recommend it.
Good luck and Merry Christmas!
Posted by linkadge on December 25, 2005, at 14:04:25
In reply to Re: 5htp, dlpa, tyrosine, omega3...doing nothing., posted by TenMan on December 25, 2005, at 12:51:35
Yeah, I found that 5-htp helped, upto about 50mg, but If I added tyrosine, it made things worse.
Sometimes the neurotransmitter supply is ok, but it is not getting released due to hypersensitive inhibitory autoreceptors.
I found that 5-htp had much more of an effect when if I took it during exercise.
Coffee too triggers serotonin release. I had a synergistic effect if I mixed 5-htp in my coffee!
A more robust mood effect than either alone.You may also want to try yohimbine with the 5-htp. It blocks the alpha-2 autoreceptors wich allows increases the release of serotonin and norepinephrine. I added a little yohimbine to 5-htp and again there was a definate synergy.
Just like remeron is a alpha-2 antagonist. As far as depression, neither remeron nor 5-htp cut it alone, but the two combined clicked.
Linkadge
Posted by blueberry on December 26, 2005, at 19:58:59
In reply to Re: 5htp, dlpa, tyrosine, omega3...doing nothing., posted by TenMan on December 25, 2005, at 12:51:35
Funny you should mention SJW and 5HTP. About 10 years ago I was waiting a month for a new psychiatrist appointment and I was severe depression. While waiting, I started SJW and 5HTP. In about 2 weeks I felt pretty darn good, to where I didn't think I even needed a doctor any more. But I made the appointment anyway. The doc got mad at me, told me to stop the herbs, and put me on serzone, and I crashed. That began a long 10 years of trying all sorts of meds. Looking back, geez, should have just stayed the course.
I did however have some problems with SJW and 5HTP. The main one was loud tinnitus. Another one was a stinging urine thing. Never did figure that out.
Anyway, since I'm practically off all meds now and on aminos, SJW is again on the radar screen. Thanks for reminding me!
Posted by blueberry on December 26, 2005, at 20:03:10
In reply to Re: 5htp, dlpa, tyrosine, omega3...doing nothing., posted by linkadge on December 25, 2005, at 14:04:25
Yeah, I have often wondered if for some of us there is a certain type of depression where the release or the flow of the neurotransmitters is just as important as the abundance of them.
At the moment I'm on 150mg 5HTP, but a lot of sources I've been reading say to go up to 300mg or more for at least a week for a true trial. But even at 150mg, I think my brain must be awash in serotonin. Just have to kick it into action somehow.
Posted by robot on January 7, 2006, at 20:19:01
In reply to Re: 5htp, dlpa, tyrosine, omega3...doing nothing. » linkadge, posted by blueberry on December 26, 2005, at 20:03:10
I just got off zoloft about 1 month ago and started on St J 2.5 weeks ago. I think its helping.
I think the product below (what Im taking) is good stuff, it combines griffonia seeds (5htp) with the St J, b12 and folate.http://www.melaleuca.com/ps/index.cfm?f=ps.productDetail&pid=2380
Here's what Im doing, and you might want to try this too: Im taking the St J and EFA's (Carlson's cod liver oil + Dr Udo's oils) steadily, and Im experimenting with the aminos one at a time. I think thats important. Ive finally learned to not just try everything all at once or up doses quickly. Im trying to keep everything consistent, like getting 8 hours of sleep every night. Then adding one thing to see what it does. And keep a journal.
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